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I didn't like the last Frey and McGray book any better on second reading by the way. Re-reading it immediately after re-reading the rest of the series didn't make it any more enjoyable and also kind of made me aware of another really irritating thing in the series, all the 'deranged murderous mobs' that keep showing up through the series or if it's not a 'deranged murderous mob' then it's a murderous group of witches or something, why is there this repeated thing throughout with murderous groups of people all the time.
So this hasn't really helped me figure out what to do with the books. Just keep the ones I liked maybe. Except even those have a lot of stuff in them I really don't like. 
I think one of my major issues with the series is McGray's obsession with saving his sister which I just do not care about. Sorry mate but I have no interest in Pansy or your relationship with her in any of the books. And Caroline still doesn't interest me either. A lot of people seem to really like Elgie too but he irritates me too. And I still hate the het relationship at the end which still absolutely feels incestuous.
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I just finished re-reading number 6 in the Frey and McGray series and reading them all together is making me realise something else that's kind of rubbing me the wrong way about them and that is that almost all the 'bad guys' in them are women? And usually very cruel and manipulative women who have men, even really strong/powerful men, completely under their thumb somehow. We have a fuck load of 'Evil Witches' (where the men are just dim thugs who are disposable), Queen Victoria, 'Lady Glass', the murderous family who may or may not (spoiler: not) be vampires where though there are a couple of men it's the women who seem to be centred most of the time, the two different women who engineered killing the whole family with poisoned candles, the manipulative 'Angry Bitch' of a wife. Even the 'celebrity' murderer Frey caught pre-series was a woman.
The only time there are male 'bad guys' they are either usually supposedly powerful privileged men but who are actually being completely manipulated by women or they're disabled or gay (and the gay one is the one who got killed too. Most of the others didn't die in that story but the gay guy does. Also even the guy with the disability in the first one has seemingly been fucked up massively by women so even that is basically largely women's fault too apparently).
And OK fuck the monarchy but why did the portrayal of Queen Victoria need all the 'fat and greedy' stuff? Like her shoving food into her mouth in a 'disgusting' way even while meeting people?

Also another horse related irritation again, he used percheron and shire to refer to the same horse in the sixth book. They're two different breeds from two different countries! And then he calls a riding horse (pony?) a foal in this one. A foal is a baby!

And this tedious het relationship in the seventh one (which I'm now re-reading) really does come out of nowhere huh. I didn't remember there being any kind of build up before for that and no there really wasn't anything. The characters who actually have chemistry throughout are Frey and McGray but the author seems to forget about that a lot?

I still do not know how to feel about them because they are one of those things with certain elements I really like, I do really like Frey and McGray when they actually get proper interaction (and are not drugged/cursed/whatever and treating each other really badly) but overall I did not like 2, 6 and 7; I very much disliked a key thing that happened in... 4? And I still think the series ending was kind of shit sorry and I can't see my mind being changed upon re-reading 7 again. Overall I just want stories about them investigating mysteries and bickering like an old married couple, I don't want.. what the series actually ended up being most of the time.
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In between writing/editing this novel-length 'essay' about Moriarty etc which has kind of consumed most of my spare time for months now I have been re-reading the Frey and McGray books. Although even reading them back to back is still confusing, I'm still struggling to remember stuff from one to the next sometimes. I do still have mixed feelings about them. The second(?) one I still don't really enjoy much at all as there are still too many unpleasant elements including the state of their relationship throughout. And I still hate Frey's uncle being murdered and to make it even worse being murdered literally seconds before Frey bursts in to save everyone. I don't dislike the 5th but the trial seems so rushed and nonsensical and too heavy on the 'they're just convicting her based entirely on prejudice' thing and there is literally no evidence at all. It makes it feel like Frey and McGray didn't really do anything before the trial? And there are too many dead people and their complicated relationships referred to so I couldn't follow at all who was related to who and why anyone died and which one had died years back and which had only just died and who was alive etc etc.
 
It's actually a small detail that keeps throwing me out of the stories though and that is de Muriel seeming to have this thing about throwing the most obscure breed names in whenever there's a horse in it. I guess maybe you'd get an Anglo-Arabian in Scotland if you had money but a Carthusian? I mean maybe but it's basically a subtype of Andalusians/PREs and it's just such an obscure name but he's using it as if it's some well known breed throughout Britain? And a Bavarian Warmblood? Warmblood is a way too modern term, actual Bavarian Warmbloods didn't even exist til like... 1960 something. And he seems to think every draught-type horse is a 'percheron' (with a small P) like it's some sort of interchangeable term with heavy horse or something? Mate that's a French breed of horse why would every draught horse in the UK suddenly be a Percheron? There may have been some Percheron mixes in the Victorian era in Britain but nothing like this, where every heavy horse is literally called a 'percheron', the breed didn't start to become popular in the UK until maybe... 30 years? after these stories are set. And even then I think that was much further south. We have our own draught breeds! And the pony breeds many of which would do draught work! Not 'percherons'. Or mules for that matter, I think there are too many mules in these books too, I'm not sure mules have ever been that common here either. Also most black funeral horses especially for the wealthy would have been Friesians. It is a minor detail but it's one of those things that really gets on my nerves because it's repeated throughout and it's just... no.

Frey and McGray are one of those pairings though where it's like... I kind of ship them but I'm not really invested in them but I will loathe them being shoved off into tedious het relationships. And I do hate where the series ends up with the heteronormative bullshit of that (amongst other things) so I don't know. It's definitely a series where I enjoy parts of it but I also have a lot of issues with it and the concluding book was a big let down and I'm not expecting my feelings to really change about that one if I do re-read that again this time (I've just started re-reading book 6 now) except possibly I might end up disliking it even more than I did the first time. Also it is one of those rare things where I'm thinking the supernatural explanation was better than the mundane one and when that supernatural explanation gets ripped away, well it makes it much less interesting really.
So this still isn't really helping me know whether I want to keep or ditch the series. 
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I finished reading the last Frey and McGray book today and to be honest I'm very much 'meh' over it. Sure the ending's fine I guess in some ways (though... where does Frey go from there? It doesn't feel like much of an ending for him really) but it's turned out to be one of those things where I much preferred it when it wasn't about some big over-arching storyline. I just wanted to read Victorian mystery/crime-solving male duo stories and it became... not really about that at all. And it's another one of those things with a random het relationship shoehorned into it out of nowhere despite the characters in question never being shown to have any real chemistry in that way or even much interaction before that I can remember while the two male characters had way more chemistry but then also in this one I felt like Frey and McGray barely got any real interaction. 
Also sorry but whatever the truth is the whole het relationship still feels really incestuous and weird as well and having characters trying to explain why it's actually not incest just sort of emphasised how much it felt like it was incest and made it even weirder.
Also it just felt sort of... rushed into, the entire book, even though this seemed to take much longer to write and get published than most of the others?
I may be slightly hampered in that I can't actually remember much of what happened in the rest of the series so half the time I didn't really remember what a lot of the Big Plot was even about, mostly what I remember from the others is I hated the one where they got drugged(?) and treated each other horribly. And there were other elements in others I didn't like at all. And I think there was some stuff with the fortune-teller or something? And something something Lancashire witches? I really don't remember what they had to do with anything though.
I don't really care about Caroline or Pansy either though sorry, I mean I'm sure they're great characters but they just really don't interest me and this book had A Lot about/very much focused on them also so for me that was not a good thing. 
so...
meh
I'm glad the dogs survived I suppose. I'm still not sure what happened to some of the horses in it though and I still hate that McGray's first horse got pointlessly killed earlier in the series. 
Now I'm not really sure if I want to keep any of the books any more when I just didn't enjoy how it ended up and when it did feel like kind of a downer ending for Frey especially. I think at some point I will have to reread the entire series in one go (rather than them being spaced out for a year or more each time when reading them as they were released) and then decide but at the moment I'm definitely feeling inclined to ditch the whole series. 
So that sucks.

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